A few Without a Trace links for carolinecrane

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Yay! carolinecrane has seen Danny/Martin! Woo, a chance to pimp one of my fave rare fandoms! Yeah, it is a wee little fandom, but it does exist. There's the requisite Yahoo group, and there are a few (very few) authors writing Danny/Martin, though there isn't anyone writing long, plotty stuff yet, just little fluff pieces and vignettes. sarahchica has a few on her site (a few Nick/Greg ones, too)- it's a pity she's redone her layout again, actually, since the last one was Danny/Martin and very snazzy. Perpetual Motion has a few ficlets too, though her site hasn't kept up with her list postings, so there will be more (they're the fluffiest of fluff, though, and I don't know how you feel about that). Julian Lee has just started writing WaT- her "Secrets Vignette" done for therealjae's challenge is good, and I assume her next update will include the series she just posted to the list, three little vignettes that intersect with Perpetual Motion's "Just" series. Calysta Rose started a story (continued here, with cliffhanger) back in January, but I don't know if she ever finished it (and it's been so long since I read it, I forget what it was like. Oh well). And I have a few of lucy_fic's tagged in my fic memories- though again, I forget what they are. I suppose I should reread before posting links, but I have more enthusiasm than patience right now.

Also, keep an eye out for the repeat of "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been"- it's a good episode anyway, but it has the slashiest, sweetest scene at the end. I was all a-squee back when I first saw it and had to post the dialogue, but it was the acting that made the scene so great. You should see it (there are dialogue spoilers in that link, but no real, major plot ones- depends on your spoiler fear, I guess). "Victory for Humanity" (repeats on 7/17) has a great D/M dialogue scene too- just a little throw-away thing, but it has the same flirty, comfortable vibe that Nick and Greg have.

Hm, I wonder if I have anything else bookmarked? Off to hunt some more...

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I'm really sorry I've never sent you feedback. I'm absolutely terrible about that- I've been in various online fandoms for ten years or so, and in zine-based ones before that, but I can still count the number of authors I've written to in the single digits (although I've gotten a little better about saying "I liked this!" type stuff in LJ anyway). I tend to chicken out before writing to anyone. I can imagine it's tough to get feedback in rare fandoms, though, which makes me feel even more guilty since so many of my fandoms are rare. I've been trying to convert people to the charms of WaT and CSI, but while the shows themselves are really popular, it's tough going, fandom-wise (I have a whole big post about why I think that is, somewhere around here). I think I've hooked in one or two friends, though, and with any luck next season will make things easier. Fingers crossed!

I love angst like you wouldn't believe...

Oh, so do I. I'm a big Aragorn/Boromir fan, which guarantees ninety-nine percent mega-angst, and a lot of my other pairings have more than their share of troubles. But with my rarer fandoms, and with WaT (and CSI) especially, I'm a sucker for happy endings. I mean, Martin and Danny have so much stress and unhappiness in their lives already. I know things wouldn't be all "tralala, it's easy because we're in love, we're happy, the end" for them, but all of that without the "it's easy" is my preference. They're just so sweet and well-suited, and I really want them to have that happy ending!

Also, people need to stop slashing Gil with people (like the whole Jack slashing thing). It needs to stop. Please. For my sake ;)

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Gil seems fairly asexual to me (although Lady Heather was interesting). But pairing him with Greg or Nick just seems like a recipe for misery, no matter how much hero-worship the boys have for him (or especially because of that). I just can't see it. And Jack is straight and busy juggling his womenfolk- lay off, people! ;)

Anyway, sorry this is so long. It's just nice to talk with someone who likes this pairing as much as I do, and like I said, your were the first author I read in this fandom and therefore the first to confirm that it wasn't just me, Danny and Martin really were that slashable. So thanks very much for that!

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No need to apologize for not sending feedback! I'm so horrible at it. I rarely ever send it, unless it's a fic I really like. My first fandom was mary-sue Newsies in 1997, and we all wrote our stories together or onlist, so there was never really feedback issues. I only realized how much of hassle it was when I joined the West Wing fandom. And then I left het in the dust with Lotrips. But, it's so hard, sometimes, when you write in such rare fandoms. My favorite fandom, actually, has only one writer. Me. (It's based on the book King of Shadows by Susan Cooper.) Which actually is good and bad. Good because I don't have anyone to compare it to, and thus it's good for my low-self esteem when it comes to writing. But bad because most people are like 'what the fuck?' But I guess that's the curse of small fandoms.

But with my rarer fandoms, and with WaT (and CSI) especially, I'm a sucker for happy endings. I mean, Martin and Danny have so much stress and unhappiness in their lives already.

Oh yeah, I totally agree. But I find myself wanting them to suffer, before I make them happy. Not any of the kidnappings and stuff that people like to throw onto their characters, but emotions. And Danny and Martin make it easy, because they so obviously have emotions. We've seen them sad, happy, upset, and tons of other emotions. One of the things I liked about Nick's Stalker!Ep and the ep and the one after Greg's lab was blown up, was the fact that we saw, for almost the first time, deep emotions for both men. I know it's hard, with both shows, but it's makes sense with WAT because they deal with people all the time. And something else ... Because I, like, you, am rambling and something just struck me.

I don't know if Viv is single or not, I seem to think she has a husband, and Jack has his wife. But the other three? How hard would it be to date someone and not be able to really talk about your work. Sam, I think, had that cop she we out with, and Danny had that female friend during Little Big Man. But, really, neither of them have anyone else to talk to. And that's yet another dynamic between them. Though I don't know the policy on dating coworkers in the FBI. I'll stop with this little ramble, before I totally lose my train of thought.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! Gil seems fairly asexual to me (although Lady Heather was interesting). But pairing him with Greg or Nick just seems like a recipe for misery, no matter how much hero-worship the boys have for him (or especially because of that). I just can't see it. And Jack is straight and busy juggling his womenfolk- lay off, people! ;)

Yes. I hope Lady Heather comes back. I do like her and Gil's tension. People pair them with Gil for two reasons, one is the whole boss/hero thing you mentioned, and the other is that "everyone" seems to love William Peterson (I like him better than David Caruso, but, no). As for Jack? I have no idea why people do it. And you're so right about the womenfolk in his life! Hee.

It's just nice to talk with someone who likes this pairing as much as I do, and like I said, your were the first author I read in this fandom and therefore the first to confirm that it wasn't just me, Danny and Martin really were that slashable. So thanks very much for that!

That's just. Yeah. I started writing them as soon as I really realized I thought they were slashy. And, really, I want to keep writing them. Especially now that we've done so much chatter about them!

And, thank you, for the feedback, but mostly for the conversation. There's actually a WaT community (without_a_trace) that I run, a general TV show. I'm more prone to spout of in my LJ about the show. Along with "eee's" and squeals. So, yeah, (this is so lame, and I haven't said anything like this for ages) if you want to friend, feel free, man. I'm always game for WaT and CSI discussions. Rather, intelligent ones. *grin*

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But I find myself wanting them to suffer, before I make them happy. Not any of the kidnappings and stuff that people like to throw onto their characters, but emotions.

Oh yeah, I'm a sucker for emotional pain. Makes the happy ending that much sweeter. And these fellas suffer so nicely. Danny in Clare de Lune is a wonderful thing (and subtly worried!Martin at the very end was very sweet). I wish we'd gotten to see a smidge more of Martin's reaction to the ending of "In Extremis," but the hints we got were good, and of course there's always the possibility of fic.

Viv is indeed married- when Jack's complaining that someday he'll be Bitter Old Divorced Guy in the dating video in whatever episode that was (maybe "Friendly Skies," but I forget and I'm too lazy to check), she jokes that her husband is looking better all the time (her kid was a cutie, though, wasn't he?). Sam is (understandably) a little gun-shy when it comes to dating, I think, what with Jack, the youthful ex-husband, and whichever bad exes gave her that "thing about men." But in general I bet it is hard for them to date outside of work (for lots of reasons, including the stress and lousy hours), and I'm pretty sure there are fraternization regs that make dating at work complicated (regs between peers, I mean, since we know from AYN... that there are rules against subordinates dating superiors). Poor kids.

the other is that "everyone" seems to love William Peterson

Yeah, why is that? I mean, he's not unattractive, but he's certainly not the Adonis that I see him treated like on various lists and messageboards. He looks like somebody's dad, or maybe a high school science teacher. Maybe we're missing something?

And since you don't object, I'm off to friend you. I know it's irrational, since it's really a "people I like to read/I have things in common with/I think are neat" list, but I still feel a little awkward randomly friending people, or I would have before now. This whole LJ adventure has been a learning process, that's for sure. *g*

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Danny in Clare de Lune is a wonderful thing (and subtly worried!Martin at the very end was very sweet). I wish we'd gotten to see a smidge more of Martin's reaction to the ending of "In Extremis," but the hints we got were good, and of course there's always the possibility of fic.

Yes. I love watching Danny deal with his emotions. I love it, and this is somewhat weird I think, when he's talking to the girl at the end of CDL and his voice breaks. It just makes my heart break. The end of CDL, the whole 'would you like a cup of coffee' thing between Danny and Martin makes me so happy. Especially because of this 'moment' they have. And yes, IE needed more of a Martin reaction. And a fight, I would think, between Martin and Danny, because they held such opposite opinions. And, I suppose, we did see some of it in my favorite ep, AYNOHYEB?.

Viv is indeed married- when Jack's complaining that someday he'll be Bitter Old Divorced Guy in the dating video in whatever episode that was [snip] she jokes that her husband is looking better all the time (her kid was a cutie, though, wasn't he?).

Oh yeah! There aren't enough happily marrieds on tv either. Ahh, WaT, you're a one of a kind show ;) And yes, her kid is SO cute.

I always refer to West Wing when it comes to dating rules, because the White House/West Wing rules are different than workplace rules. Which makes me wonder if FBI rules are different. And yeah, it probably IS hard. They don't seem to have a lot of free time. That's one thing I do like about CSI is that you see what the characters do in their free time. (Well, sometimes.) But it seems that WaT!Characters don't really have that much at all. Which would make it easier for them to date each other, or people in the police force.

He looks like somebody's dad, or maybe a high school science teacher. Maybe we're missing something?

Yeah. He's like that next door neighbor that gets your mail when you're on vacation and feeds your dogs while you're away. Not the kind of guy I'd like to slash. I mean, hell, I'd rather slash David Caruso's charater and Russell Crowe's character in 'Proof of Life' and William or Jack (although, I really love Jack. Carry over from Empire Records, I think.) But yes, we are so definitely missing something.

And since you don't object, I'm off to friend you. I know it's irrational, since it's really a "people I like to read/I have things in common with/I think are neat" list, but I still feel a little awkward randomly friending people, or I would have before now. This whole LJ adventure has been a learning process, that's for sure. *g*

Oh mean, It totally understand. I've had this LJ for over a year, two in September, and I still have 'issues' with friending. Sometimes I friend random people, but only if they're in a fandom I like. I went through this whole boy band phase, when almost all of my LJ friends were in popslash. Then I 'left' (moved on to HP) and lots a lot of those people. But, most recently, my friends list has stayed the same -- or grown as I become more active in smaller fandoms with cooler people ;)