ealgylden: (boromir (karelian))
Joan ([personal profile] ealgylden) wrote2003-06-27 03:20 pm

A few Without a Trace links for [livejournal.com profile] carolinecrane

Yay! [livejournal.com profile] carolinecrane has seen Danny/Martin! Woo, a chance to pimp one of my fave rare fandoms! Yeah, it is a wee little fandom, but it does exist. There's the requisite Yahoo group, and there are a few (very few) authors writing Danny/Martin, though there isn't anyone writing long, plotty stuff yet, just little fluff pieces and vignettes. [livejournal.com profile] sarahchica has a few on her site (a few Nick/Greg ones, too)- it's a pity she's redone her layout again, actually, since the last one was Danny/Martin and very snazzy. Perpetual Motion has a few ficlets too, though her site hasn't kept up with her list postings, so there will be more (they're the fluffiest of fluff, though, and I don't know how you feel about that). Julian Lee has just started writing WaT- her "Secrets Vignette" done for [livejournal.com profile] therealjae's challenge is good, and I assume her next update will include the series she just posted to the list, three little vignettes that intersect with Perpetual Motion's "Just" series. Calysta Rose started a story (continued here, with cliffhanger) back in January, but I don't know if she ever finished it (and it's been so long since I read it, I forget what it was like. Oh well). And I have a few of [livejournal.com profile] lucy_fic's tagged in my fic memories- though again, I forget what they are. I suppose I should reread before posting links, but I have more enthusiasm than patience right now.

Also, keep an eye out for the repeat of "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been"- it's a good episode anyway, but it has the slashiest, sweetest scene at the end. I was all a-squee back when I first saw it and had to post the dialogue, but it was the acting that made the scene so great. You should see it (there are dialogue spoilers in that link, but no real, major plot ones- depends on your spoiler fear, I guess). "Victory for Humanity" (repeats on 7/17) has a great D/M dialogue scene too- just a little throw-away thing, but it has the same flirty, comfortable vibe that Nick and Greg have.

Hm, I wonder if I have anything else bookmarked? Off to hunt some more...

[identity profile] ealgylden.livejournal.com 2003-06-27 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm, I wonder what's up with Sarah's site. It worked for me, then it didn't, and now it does again. No idea why.

It's a bit unfortunate that everything out there is so short. I mean, fluff is fine, and some of this is quite good, but I can't help but wish someone would be inspired to write some long, complicated story with a real plotline, or even a series with a plot. Something other than "how we got together," just for a change.

[identity profile] carolinecrane.livejournal.com 2003-06-27 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I was thinking the exact same thing. I joined the yahoo list but I haven't perused all the stuff on there yet so I don't know if there's anything out there like that. Much as I love first-time fic, something couched in a nice, long, involved plot would be nice. Not that I'd know anything about long, complex WIPs. Nope, not me.

[identity profile] ealgylden.livejournal.com 2003-06-27 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
snerk. Oh no, certainly not you. Have you hit the "100 current WIPs" mark yet? *g*

There really isn't anything substantial (for lack of a better word) out there- Tarlan's new crossover WIP is the longest story I've seen yet, and it's not Danny/Martin so I can't even start cheering, darn it. Non-supernaturally-tinged dramas like WaT or CSI tend to be harder sells, fandom-wise, but still, look at these guys! I keep thinking this fandom should be an easy sell, and it doesn't seem to be. Very frustrating.

[identity profile] carolinecrane.livejournal.com 2003-06-27 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if it's because people aren't watching the show? I don't know, I only watched it for the first time last night. I'm sure I would have given in to the urge to slash them long ago if I'd been watching all season. It's probably a good thing there isn't much fic out there, because honestly, I can't handle another fandom. Although I'd rather do a WaT one-off than an HP one, so you never know.

I checked out the Cherry Falls crossover. I'm ashamed to admit I have seen that movie, mostly because a) Jay Mohr, b) I'm a big horror movie freak so I will watch pretty much anything billed as horror, and c) Jay Mohr in drag. But the crossover just isn't working for me. There's an art to crossovers, and some of them just don't quite make it.

I must go to bed before I start plotting slash for a show I've barely seen. I certainly can't write characters I've only seen once. Also, I can't write plot so I don't even know why I'm contemplating it. Lord save us all from my urge to add more rare slash fandoms to my repertoire.

[identity profile] ealgylden.livejournal.com 2003-06-28 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if it's because people aren't watching the show?

Yeah, I think that may be the problem. Or not "people" so much as "fannishly-inclined people," since it has good ratings at least. But it doesn't fall in the scifi/fantasy slot like so many shows that have attracted big fandoms, and besides, it's like CSI- the subtext is there, but it isn't really abundant, like on something like Smallville. I mean, I think Danny and Martin are obvious, but they aren't Lex and Clark or Duncan and Methos or one of those "clubs you over the head" pairings. Not a fandom for the lazy, I suppose.

The Cherry Falls thing- I only skimmed the first part or two, and it didn't really seem like a good fit, crossover-wise. But as soon as I saw that it's a Michael Biehn movie, I got it. I know Tarlan from Mag7, where she writes Chris/Vin, ie Michael Biehn/Eric Close. She's jumped through some very small hoops to cross-pair their other characters before, not always effectively. It seems odd to me to force a cross-pairing where a perfectly good one already exists on a show, but obviously she sees something between MB and EC that I don't (though I've never seen Chris/Vin either, so I guess my tastes and hers just don't mesh). Jay Mohr in drag, though? I may have to rent it after all.

Lord save us all from my urge to add more rare slash fandoms to my repertoire.

Aw, it's just a little one. What can one more hurt? Just one little mint, er, fandom... (I'm just joshing you. Although if you did end up inspired to write something, I'd be thrilled. But not at the expense of "Sweet Cool Water" or any other WIP, or, you know, health/sanity/RL/those silly things.)

I don't remember any D/M stuff in next week's repeat, although we do get some background/characterization on Martin. It's been a while since I saw it, though.

[identity profile] carolinecrane.livejournal.com 2003-06-29 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
Or not "people" so much as "fannishly-inclined people," since it has good ratings at least. But it doesn't fall in the scifi/fantasy slot like so many shows that have attracted big fandoms

Exactly. Cop shows just don't tend to draw a lot of fic, particularly slash fic. And the shows that are well-written tend to draw even less, because most people find the show itself satisfying enough that they don't need fic. It seems like the worse a show is and the more frustrated the fans are, the more fanon 'fixing' goes on. Me, I'm more interested in characters and subtext than in the shows themselves, so I don't really care if it's a great show. If there's obvious subtext going on, such as Greg and Nick's on CSI, I want to write it.

As for Cherry Falls, before you run out to rent it, let me say this: I watched it because it happened to be on cable, so for me it was free. It still cost me a good hour and a half of my life, though, and that's something I do regret a little. I say this as someone who owns the Sleepaway Camp trilogy on DVD, so you know my tolerance for bad horror is high. But Jay Mohr -- well, Jay in anything usually gets my attention, and Jay in drag especially so just for the randomness factor. But in the case of this movie, Jay would really have done better to pass on the role. The drag isn't so much campy and funny as it is severely creepy, and the plot -- well, it's pretty awful.

Michael Biehn, God bless him, came off fairly wooden to me in the film. I've always enjoyed him in the past (although I'm with you on not really seeing the slash between Chris/Vin), but this film just isn't well-written enough to give him anything to work with. I'm only saying all this because I've already been responsible for so much rental income for Ghost Ship and Dead Man on Campus, and both of those are better films by far. At least I thought so.

The Cherry Falls/WaT crossover doesn't really work for me on a lot of levels, but most especially because Michael's character in Cherry Falls is not at all slashy. Crossovers are delicate anyway, but when you start crossing over everything two actors have done just to picture them naked together...well, it's time to start writing RPS. Nothing wrong with that, if that's your kink.

But yeah, I'll probably write some WaT slash after I watch a few more episodes. Unless I just can't see the slash at all, but so far I've only seen 'Clare de Lune' or whatever the episode was called and I saw Martin/Danny subtext in a couple scenes. Anyway, I'll keep watching and see what I come up with.

[identity profile] ealgylden.livejournal.com 2003-06-30 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe I'll wait on renting Cherry Falls then- I already have a mountain of terrible movies acquired for this or that actor's sake, and the brain can only take so much at once.

Me, I'm more interested in characters and subtext than in the shows themselves, so I don't really care if it's a great show.

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Crossovers are delicate anyway, but when you start crossing over everything two actors have done just to picture them naked together...well, it's time to start writing RPS.

Yes, exactly. And I wish I could think of something clever and succinct to add to that, but you've pretty much nailed it, I think.